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MAHARISHI
MAHESH YOGI, SPIRITUAL GURU AND AUTHOR:
A title,
I feel ...
I think,
people begin to call -- significant of
the characteristic
of the word," Maharishi ";
"Maha" means
great and "rishi" is a seer.
The
seer ... of reality. The "seer", that's what
people
called; and it became a sort of name.
KING: What is transcendental meditation?
MAHARISHI: Transcendental meditation is
something
that can be defined as a means to do
what one
wants to do in a better way,
in
a right way, for maximum results.
It's a
program
that the mind begins to experience its
own finer
impressions, finer thoughts, and then
finally
transcends the finest thought and get(s)
to the
level of what they call "self-referral
pure
consciousness", which is the ultimate reality
of
life: pure intelligence ... from where
the
creation emerges ... from where
the
administration of life is maintained ...
from
where physical expression of the
universe
has its
basis.
So transcendental meditation brings about
transcendental consciousness, which
is self-referral
consciousness -- the source
of all intelligence.
KING:
Why ...
MAHARISHI: ... that level that
intelligence
becomes
creative intelligence.
KING:
Why does it sound so hard to learn?
MAHARISHI:
I've been teaching transcendental
meditation
for 40, 50 years in the world and
everyone
who has learned it knows
how simple
it is ... how easy it is. Because one's
own consciousness cannot be difficult to anyone.
It's one's own
life. It's one's own intelligence.
It's nothing
difficult at all.
KING: Is there a major first step to take?
Suppose
I want to learn this completely. What's
the
first thing, other than getting the re-release
of
your book, the first thing I should do?
MAHARISHI: Intend to have a better life.
Just
intention to have a more successful life.
Think
better. Create better influence for others
and
for oneself. Just the desire to be a better
man.
That's
all.
KING: So we begin with the desire, which
sounds
very nice; but does this require a change
of
personality?
MAHARISHI: Change of personality will be
for
good as a result of it. But the intention is:
wherever
one is, one makes a plunge into
the transcendent.
That's all.
There is nothing difficult. There is nothing
complicated.
Only one has to have a desire to
have
a better quality of life. And for that, one has
so
much of scientific research now.
Hundreds
of scientific researches, volumes full
of
volumes there are. (1)
And ... you have mentioned that book,
"Science
of Being and Art of Living"; that was
the
first book that I wrote about 40 years ago.
And now,
dozens of books are there. (2)
KING: Yup.
MAHARISHI:
Hundreds of ... thousands of
these videotapes
are there for the world.
KING:
Why have you been ... quiet for
some
time now? Why have you not -- have we not
seen
you much?
MAHARISHI: No, I have been not quiet. Only,
I
got into creating the "effect". I was teaching
transcendental
meditation for 30, 40 years,
but
I found that the world is not yet to the extent
of possibility
in the field of good.
So I realized that talking about like this ...
I
realized that talking is not too much important.
Creating
the effect in the world. And now I am
engaging
creating the effect in the world.
KING: What you have to say is very important.
One
would hope that from now on, we'll be
hearing
more of you.
MAHARISHI: People know enough good;
but
they are not able to do it because the effect
from outside,
the influence from outside --
his own
society, other countries, other cultures,
even sun,
moon, stars, galaxies -- the influence,
so many,
many influences from all over the world
make
the mind of a man, make his intellect
to
decide this, and this and this ...
So, if people do what they know to be good,
the
knowledge of good is enough in the world for
them
to be really happy and really peaceful and
really remarkably
friendly and supportive
to everyone.
KING: Does it also improve you from a health
standpoint?
A
physical health standpoint?
MAHARISHI: Great amount of
scientific
research is there to show that health
is
better ; because transcendental meditation
deals with
consciousness, and consciousness is
the
basic value of all the physical expressions.
The
entire creation is the expression
of
consciousness. So when we handle
consciousness
-- through our attention --
the
consciousness becomes awake, more awake.
So more
healthy ...
So ... this transcendental meditation has
very good
effect on health. It's like the gardener
watering
the root of life and supplying
nourishment
to all the leaves and all the branches
and everything.
KING:
Let me get a break and come right back
with Maharishi
Mahesh Yogi on this edition
of Larry
King Live.
One of the
great spiritual leaders in the world.
Don't go away.
(COMMERCIAL
BREAK)
KING:
We're back with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
His famous
book of years ago -- "Science of Being
and Art
of Living: Transcendental Meditation";
he's
the founder of TM -- there has been
a new release
and a newly revised version of
that historic
book.
Everyone
got to know the Maharishi when
the
Beatles went to visit him. I ... by the way,
Maharishi,
I send the best to you from
Paul McCartney
who I saw last week, who --
and
I told him I was going to be with you --
and he
wanted to wish you the best.
We know that your good friends,
George Harrison
and John Lennon, are gone.
What
do you believe happens upon death?
MAHARISHI: The death is just a -- it gives
a
new start for a new fresh journey.
In the process
of evolution, the body lasts for
some time
and then one takes other body and
takes other body and takes other body ... till
the final
redemption from diversity is transcended.
The totality is found. This is the potential of life,
cosmic
potential of life: immortality in its field
of counting
it in terms of time. Immortality.
KING:
Do we know what stage we're in?
MAHARISHI:
Absolutely. From the
Vedic
astrology point of view; Vedic astrologers --
the
Jyotishees -- calculate the whole of life
from
the past
and they calculate the whole of life
in future.
This is the field of yagya; and when
they
find some wrong, negative influence from
sun,
moon, star or wherever, they make
some yagyas.
Yagya is a name for a Vedic
performance
which can avert the danger. (3)
The Vedic way of life rests on, "Avert the danger
that has
not come." Prevention -- it uses
the knowledge
to prevent problems from
coming on.
The yagya system is so powerful that
those who
get the yagyas done by the
Vedic pundits,
they find the obstacles don't have
to
be faced. Sicknesses don't have to be faced.
Wrong things
don't have to faced. One can be
the master
of one's own destiny if one follows
the Vedic
way of life, which is -- life according
to
natural law, which can prevent disorders.
KING:
What about, Maharishi, those who are
the victims
of evil who cannot determine
their own
life. They're in a building on
September
11 ... and they're gone. They couldn't
make
any determination. TM didn't help them.
MAHARISHI: Everyone has to go ... sometime
or
the other. And the basic principle about going
or surviving
is that no one -- now listen to me --
no
one is responsible for giving any difficulty
or
any pleasure
to anyone.
Problems or successes, they all are the results of
our own
actions. Karma. The philosophy of action
is that
no one else is the giver of peace
or happiness.
One's own karma, one's own actions
are responsible
to come, to bring either happiness
or
success or whatever.
KING: If someone treats me harshly, if
someone
shoots me
or kills you, or harms a baby ...
how
was the victim a participant in that other than
being in
the wrong place at the wrong time?
MAHARISHI: He is the carrier of
my
own influence. "As you sow, so shall you reap"
is a very
old proverb of mankind. As you sow,
so
shall you reap. Sometime you may have killed
that
man; and then sometime, now,
it comes
on to you.
KING: Ah.
MAHARISHI:
What we have done, the result
of
that comes to us whenever it comes: either
today, tomorrow,
hundred years later,
hundred
lives later... whatever, whatever.
It's our own karma. That is why that philosophy
in every
religion, "Killing is sin." Killing is sin
in
every religion. Whosoever sins ...
whosoever
kills it doesn't matter. It's a sin.
KING: Right...
MAHARISHI:
And sin in the will of God is
a
punishable offense. Because ... when you kill
some
man, what you are killing? You are killing
the cosmic
potential within the individual.
Individual
is cosmic. Individual potential of life
is
cosmic potential. Individual is divine,
deep
inside; transcendental experience awakens
that
divinity in man. And when you kill a man,
you deprive
him of that birthright of his.
It is the right of everyone to rule the world ...
to
dominate in whole nature of the universe.
Master
of the universe is every man's potential,
inside
-- cosmic potential. When you kill a man
like that,
you deprive him from getting to
his human
right.
KING: What a wonderful way to look
at it.
MAHARISHI: The human right to live divinity.
KING: Where, Maharishi, were you
on September
11?
MAHARISHI:
I heard about it wherever I was --
I don't
remember now. Because I don't look back
in
time. I have no time to look back. I have always
looked forward,
forward, forward...
And now I have come to a level of creating
a world free from problems. There have been
always wars, there have been always this, this.
Negativity, and all that. Throughout world history.
It's not one instance. It's not one instance.
So much of Hitlers were born, so many
Alexanders were born -- all those things --
and so many will continue to be born on earth.
But, now I have come to create a situation
in the world -- through about 40,000 Yogic Flyers
in the world, and Vedic performers:
performers of
Yagya in the world -- and
I am collecting them in India. And I invite
everyone to send their donations for this purpose,
which will deprive the world of negative trends
in life. I want to eliminate the basis of problems,
and basis of crime, and basis of terrorism.
That is my message now...
now.
KING: Maharishi Mahesh Yogi is our
special guest on this edition of Larry King Live.
We'll
be right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: We're
back with
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi,
the founder of
Transcendental Meditation,
the author of
"Science of Being and Art of Living", which
explains Transcendental
Meditation. That book,
released many years ago, has
been newly revised
and updated.
How do you deal personally with sadness?
George Harrison just died. I know he was a friend
of yours. How do you deal
when someone you love
or like is gone?
MAHARISHI: It's human nature to like those
whom you like, and when they go it's natural
to be sad about them; but it is inevitable.
It's inevitable.
When I found transcendental meditation has
done good to so many, so
many, then now
I'm thinking of -- and for
the last two, three years
-- I'm thinking of nations
as a whole ... want to
make the destiny of every
nation to be free
from problems ...
... to be free from suffering
... to be free from sin.
I'm establishing a government in the world which
will disallow the sprouting of negativity
in any
country, in any country. Governments are
a failure
today. Absolutely. Every government is
a failure, because problems
exist everywhere --
and every government is sovereign.
The word sovereign is a misnomer.
Their sovereignty lies
in: not able to give
a problem-free administration
to the people.
I'm establishing a problem-free administration
on the basis of the constitution
of the universe. (4)
The constitution of the universe
is total natural law.
"Natural law", we say from
the field of science.
"Will of God", we say
from the field of religion.
It's the same thing.
Natural law administers the infinite diversity of
the universe; and I'm
going to establish
the government on the
basis of
this cosmic constitution
of the universe.
Cosmic constitution is a stable constitution.
Manmade constitution requires change every
four years, five years.
Election of the people.
The whole thing
is a fraudulent thing.
Administration is a matter
of expert intelligence ...
KING: But ... but ...
MAHARISHI: It shouldn't be exposed to voters
on the street.
KING:
How do you change a system
of governments
and nations and people who are
opposed to one
another and presidents and kings
and emperors and dictators
...
how do you change that?
MAHARISHI: I'll be establishing groups
of people practicing
Yogi Flying, and
Vedic Pundits performing
the yagyas which will
eliminate the negative
influence on life on earth.
This is how ...
My
plan is to improve the quality of life on
the world by minimizing the negative influences
from the sun, moon,
stars, and from everywhere.
So those groups we'll
be establishing;
we'll be establishing
groups in every country.
(5)
I have already this, our organization teaching TM
in all the countries,
and all the governments like it
because it helps a better
quality of life. Only,
we have to concentrate
now with the help
of each government;
because no government
wants chaos and problems and difficulties
and crime in the country.
That
is a very good thing.
But because every government is governed by
manmade constitutions; and manmade constitutions
are full
of human weaknesses and human failings.
That is why I'm adopting the constitution of the
universe, which is the Will of God: high above
everything -- merciful
nature of God, total value
of natural law, which
is profusely narrated and
detailed in the Vedic literature, ancient Vedic
literature, with all this total knowledge of natural
law; and the programs to eliminate any difficulty
or problem that may be coming from anywhere. (6)
We don't allow the problems. We create
that shield,
protect ourselves. That is
the Vedic way of
life.
KING: Do you believe in perfection?
MAHARISHI: I am bringing
perfection in life.
It's not a matter
of belief. I have the positive
program and the
concrete program to create
perfection in
life.
I want to create every government to be free
from military.
Military is a defeatist feature
of a government.
Government is not able
to protect
the nation and therefore they engage
the people,
give them food, "that you will die
for other people."
The
whole thing is absurd and inhuman.
I want to
create a global government.
A global
government. I have created a global
country
of world peace where no one would
harm
anyone,
where no one would do any wrong
to
anyone. The government will not need
a military
to protect itself.
Because
the principle is that any military is
a
big sinner. And the sin must come to
the
whole population ...
KING: We'll take a break and come right
back.
[...]
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: We're back with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
How can you be so optimistic
based on all
the things you see wrong in the world?
MAHARISHI: Optimism comes from
so many
scientific researches to prove that
transcendental
meditation -- which I have taught
for 40,
50 years in the world -- works to create
a better
man.
In Fairfield
[Iowa], we have that management
university [Maharishi University of
Management] ...
and the professors of
the management
university have found that
the world is being managed badly. Governments
are not
competent to prevent problems; and,
therefore, higher
intelligence is needed to enrich
and support the present
situation
of every government.
Every
government, as I said, already has
a manmade constitution.
And manmade
constitution has the
value of human failings
and human weaknesses.
That is why constitutions
are there and the government
is there, and
the people are there,
and the laws are there: but
those laws are futile. They are not able
to prevent wrong.
The corruption has been there ... crime has been
there throughout
the ages. Punishment has been
there by government throughout the ages. But
punishment and fear of death, hanging them
in the jails and
all that -- that has been there.
But ... crime continues.
Therefore,
something else has to be done.
And that something
else I am going to do from
the level of the
Vedic wisdom of life, which
proclaims, "man is
divine, man is all competent."
Human potential is universal
potential,
universal capability.
So the
concept of government has to be raised to
that merciful fatherly
treatment of the population
by the governments.
KING:
Do you weep -- do you cry when someone
you
love dies?
MAHARISHI: There is no reason to cry,
because I know everyone
has to go on and on,
on the path of
progress ... path of progress ...
path of progress. There
is nothing to cry
about something.
When
the sun sets in the end of the day,
one doesn't cry for the sun. It's happening,
it's happening.
The same sun that is setting is
going to rise again,
and again set, and again rise,
and again set. So one
knows the progression
of life.
Now I am working on the
possibility of collective
destiny of the nation
towards all good.
KING: What do you make of all the modern
conveniences? What do
you make of television?
Cell
phones?
MAHARISHI: I'm using the television to have
my message reach the
people...
...and that is
all.
KING: So you accept that progress goes on.
[...]
Life gets better. We extend life.
All that is good, is it not?
MAHARISHI: Right, right. Anything that
is helpful to life, anything that will save life
from pains and suffering and all those difficulties,
that is -- that is our intention,
to have
a better world created.
And for that, I
am now working from
the administrative level. I'm creating an ideal
of administration where people will not make
mistakes. And when they don't make mistakes,
they don't create the reason for suffering
for themselves.
The people should be saved
from sinning, from
killing each other; from this. This is
our teaching.
"Help thy neighbor" is a very old axiom
of mankind. Help thy neighbor.
KING:
The Golden Rule -- "Do unto others as
you would have them do unto you" -- is probably
the only law you need. Every other law fits it.
Why has mankind never done -- I mean, what
you say makes sense, but mankind has never
done it; never.
MAHARISHI: If
man is told he is divine, he is
almighty, powerful;
then he is trained to have
his thought come
to materialization without
much effort... everyone
would go for it.
It's the education...
it's the education.
If a man is a criminal, that is the defective
administration
that he has been raised in. It's
a defective
administration -- cruel administration
away from
the real potential of life, which is --
in the Will of
God -- evolution, evolution, evolution.
KING: What part in all of this, Maharishi, does
money play?
[ ... ]
MAHARISHI: I lack only
one billion to make
a
world, better world.
So many months ago, I had publicized in the
American
papers that $1 billion endowment fund
will
raise enough, this Vedic Pundits to fly about.
We
want to engage 40,000 people on
a
permanent basis; and they will have enough
intense
influence of coherency
in
the world consciousness. And anybody who
wants
to have peace -- and everyone wants peace
-- they were invited to donate.
But I realized later that I was talking to
this capitalist
country.
And capitalist
country, in their own fog,
unless
they get something privately themselves
they'll
not indulge into it.
So money has become
prominent in a world
of capitalism.
That I realized when
nobody
sponsored for world peace, and everybody
wants
world peace; but they will not ...
KING: ... take part.
MAHARISHI:
... with some of their huge billions
and millions
in the bank. And so I said, "All
right."
KING: Let me get a break and we'll come
right back.
We have two more segments left
with Maharishi
Mahesh Yogi.
His original book, "Science of Being and
Art
of Living - Transcendental Meditation"
-- he's
the founder of that movement -- has just
been republished and newly revised and updated.
We'll be right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: We're
back with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
He's
coming to us from Vlodrop, Holland.
What
is ... what is ... Yogic flying?
MAHARISHI: Yogic flying is that level
of creative
intelligence in the self-referral
consciousness
that will materialize the intention.
Whatever
the intention, materialize the intention. (7)
And what
is this thing? This is the same
creative
intelligence from natural law that makes
huge galactic
universe float in the empty space.
Every galaxy's huge weight
-- galaxy. They are
all flying
in empty space. What is that? It is
the creative
intelligence -- at the level
of pure
intelligence -- when pure intelligence
in its self-referral
unified state assumes the role
of fluctuations
of waves ... like that, like that,
like that.
So the same
law of nature is captured in
the
transcendental field of one's consciousness.
And
then with the thought that,
"I should
be in the air", the body lifts up,
body
lifts up.
KING: Are you saying, then, that man
is
capable of everything -- man could fly
if he
had
obtained this consciousness?
MAHARISHI: That has been proved
--
how many times? -- as many times as people
are
flying. Four, five million people are flying
in their
private values. Now we want to have
bigger
groups. And bigger groups have been
found
to create that worldwide influence. They
influence
the whole world consciousness,
towards
positivity, towards harmony, towards
higher values
of intelligence. (8)
That is why we have the proof: we have enough
proof in
the Vedic literature. And we have enough
proof
from the modern science that our teaching
has
that influence which will create a better world
-- means
a positive world, a harmonious world.
That is why we want to have a global
administration
of natural law. We will not disturb
the
existing administration by manmade laws
in any country.
We are creating
our own government
which is utilizing natural law
which we
have from modern science, and which
we have
for effective Vedic science.
So we have enough ammunition to win the race.
KING: How do they learn more about this?
They could
buy the book, and the revised update
of
it. Is there someplace they can contact direct
to
get more information.
MAHARISHI: I have hundreds of centers
for teaching
transcendental meditation
everywhere.
KING: Do
you believe in a god?
MAHARISHI: I believe in God. And I believe
in the custody
of God vested in kings. And I'm
very happy
to have your name as King.
He's a King!
KING: I'm a King.
(laughter)
MAHARISHI: I want to establish a government
in every country that will
support life
in the country. This drama of four years,
five
years ... change the government, change
the government,
is only useful to
the foreign
powers.
This thing, democracy -- I used to say,
"Damn
the democracy!"; because it's not
a
stable government. It's only useful for foreign
powers.
It's a bad thing for any nation to change
the
... a man comes for four years; now he is
the
president. And then he goes to jail tomorrow
-- yes,
there.
Such inadequacy in the field of administration
must
create a very chaotic population
in
every country; and that is the situation
in
the world.
The whole
field of education is very inadequate.
It
doesn't make the human physiology totally
function.
The medicine -- the field of medicine
is
very poisonous. It's full of inadequacies,
and
full of those, what you call, all these negative
things --
the side effects of modern medicine
...
KING: Yeah, but ...
YOGI:
... huge! I have in my room the whole
height
of a floor full of about 8 or 10 thousand
bad
articles on modern medicine. (9)
But,
modern medicine continues, continues.
Those who are producing medicine, they
are
only
producing because they get money.
It
doesn't matter if people die or suffer from
any more
diseases. And the governments
support
it.
Your own
government, in this -- I was hearing --
is
subject to so much of corruption! All this is
because
life is not taught to the boys
in the younger
age. Education is very,
very inadequate.
The
whole drama of science is a big fraud,
everywhere.
Hiroshima was created in
the
name of science. Peace cannot be created
in the name of
science. No. Hiroshima can
be created.
Afghanistan can be created.
And now Middle East can be created.
This is
"science"! The whole thing is fraud.
The
whole field is sinful. And those who will get
into
that come to that realization:
"Sin --
killing is sin." Whosoever kills, it is sin;
and the
sinner will go to hell.
KING: We'll take
a break and come back with our
remaining moments with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, right
after these words.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
KING: In
our remaining moments with
Maharishi
Mahesh Yogi, let's talk about yourself.
Do
you have a family?
MAHARISHI: The world is my family.
KING: You have no children of your own?
MAHARISHI: That's what a family
means
-- that
you are all the children
of the world.
KING:
I know, but I'm just asking
if you have children ... [...]
MAHARISHI: I am a single person.
I'm a Purusha.
I'm a -- what you call it? --
Sanyasi,
if you understand the word. I'm a monk.
KING:
You're a bachelor. Do you have
special
diets
that you eat?
MAHARISHI: I think that a diet that I eat,
everyone
may eat the same thing -- some rice,
some dal,
some chapattis, something vegetable ...
but I like
this organic, organic. I recommend
the people
organic agriculture --
Vedic
organic agriculture. Huge amount
of scientific
research has shown that with
the Vedic
hymns, with the Vedic melodies,
the
nutrients grow in the trees very much --
in
the fruits, in the crops, in the vegetables. (10)
So that is what I am promoting in the world.
KING:
How old are you?
MAHARISHI: I have
almost forgotten when I
was born. I was told before.
(laughter)
MAHARISHI: I never look
back -- in my habits,
I never
looked back. I never looked back.
KING: Are you
in good health?
MAHARISHI: I am in fairly good health. Yes,
yes, fairly
good health.
KING: Do you go to doctors?
MAHARISHI:
The doctors come to me even
before calling
them. They like to see me
year
after year, the same way ... like that,
like
that.
But the main thing
is not so important what I am.
What is important
is: my program for the world --
that the
world will be a better world. It will be
free from
sin. Governments will be preventive
administrations
in the world.
That
is important. I'm not
important for the world.
I'm
here for some time, gone. And everyone
will
finish the whole story.
But I have promoted
a
program which is practical,
positive
and simple
for every individual
and for
every nation.
KING: Where
did you learn it?
MAHARISHI: I learned it from my master.
I
address him as His Divinity,
Swami
Brahmananda Saraswati, in the Himalayas
in
India. And that I hold to be the tradition
of Vedic
masters.
And that I came to teach in the world, and, I felt,
successful
results on the individual; and now I am
going
to have a successful result on the basis
of nations
-- nations. National governments
everywhere,
whatever they are now -- I think
they are
groping in darkness. And I have a lamp.
I put the
lamp; and the light from the lamp
will illuminate
all their darknesses.
My nature is not to fight. I give the message.
I give the
experience; and people take it,
and more
people take it. And now,
I'll have
a government.
I have created a government; and created
the
head of this government a great scientist
--
Dr. Nader
Raja Raam. He is M.D., Ph.D.
He has researched in the human physiology
that
the whole human physiology is the expression
of
the underlying field of consciousness,
the same
way as physics has discovered
self-referral
quantum field as the field
of consciousness
-- self-referral.
On that basis of the realization of the discovery
of
the ultimate field, I'm going to create
a world
of that
profundity of perfection which belongs to
the
perfection of the government of nature.
KING: Maharishi Mahesh
Yogi from
Vlodrop,
Holland. His book has been newly
revised
and updated -- the version of the original
book of
many years ago --
"Science of Being and Art of Living:
Transcendental
Meditation."
Optimistic? You bet.
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Good night.
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